Openjdk 6 future by redhat

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Frans Thamura

2013-03-09 13:37:33 UTC

Anyone read this?

How the ecosystem between openjdk.java.net and redhat's commitment..

http://m.infoworld.com/t/java-programming/red-hats-java-leadership-grows-oracles-wanes-214137?mm_ref=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.infoworld.com%252Ft%252Fjava-programming%252Fred-hats-java-leadership-grows-oracles-wanes-214137%26h%3DMAQFIs7pQOJQXn0qMAAA%26s%3D1

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Martijn Verburg

2013-03-09 15:31:37 UTC

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Yep was sort of in officially announced at FOSDEM iirc - nothing wrong with
it <shrug>

Post by Frans Thamura
Anyone read this?
How the ecosystem between openjdk.java.net and redhat's commitment..
http://m.infoworld.com/t/java-programming/red-hats-java-leadership-grows-oracles-wanes-214137?mm_ref=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.infoworld.com%252Ft%252Fjava-programming%252Fred-hats-java-leadership-grows-oracles-wanes-214137%26h%3DMAQFIs7pQOJQXn0qMAAA%26s%3D1
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Frans Thamura

2013-03-09 15:47:54 UTC

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hi martjin

wanna to know more about how the patch managed in the
openjdk.java.net, will we use the same repository, or we will use
another svn or github outside openjdk

what will oracle response for this?

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Martijn Verburg

Post by Martijn Verburg
Yep was sort of in officially announced at FOSDEM iirc - nothing wrong with
it <shrug>

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Andrew Haley

2013-03-11 11:56:25 UTC

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Post by Frans Thamura
wanna to know more about how the patch managed in the
openjdk.java.net, will we use the same repository, or we will use
another svn or github outside openjdk

Nothing is going to change. The only small difference is that we'll
be setting up a bug tracker at java.net because we can't use the one
at openjdk.java.net from outside Oracle.

Andrew.

Frans Thamura

2013-03-11 12:32:20 UTC

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Sad, if openjdk is an open source and dunno wanna to continue , why if
there are someone.wanna to continue, we cant use.it

Anyway, this initiative answer a lot of question , i believe a lot.

We are waiting your team start point.

F

Post by Andrew Haley

Post by Frans Thamura
wanna to know more about how the patch managed in the
openjdk.java.net, will we use the same repository, or we will use
another svn or github outside openjdk

Nothing is going to change. The only small difference is that we'll
be setting up a bug tracker at java.net because we can't use the one
at openjdk.java.net from outside Oracle.
Andrew.

Simon Phipps

2013-03-09 16:26:02 UTC

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Indeed, I've been waiting since then to write about it. FWIW the headline &
abstract are written by sub-editors and aren't of my choosing. As a result
they often reflect a nuance I don't actually share.

S.

Post by Martijn Verburg
Yep was sort of in officially announced at FOSDEM iirc - nothing wrong with
it <shrug>

Post by Frans Thamura
Anyone read this?
How the ecosystem between openjdk.java.net and redhat's commitment..

http://m.infoworld.com/t/java-programming/red-hats-java-leadership-grows-oracles-wanes-214137?mm_ref=http%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fl.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.infoworld.com%252Ft%252Fjava-programming%252Fred-hats-java-leadership-grows-oracles-wanes-214137%26h%3DMAQFIs7pQOJQXn0qMAAA%26s%3D1

Post by Frans Thamura
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Andrew Haley

2013-03-11 13:53:55 UTC

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Post by Simon Phipps
Indeed, I've been waiting since then to write about it. FWIW the headline &
abstract are written by sub-editors and aren't of my choosing. As a result
they often reflect a nuance I don't actually share.

Ah, that explains a great deal. I did wonder why such a carefully
nuanced piece had an inflammatory headline

Thanks,
Andrew.

John Yeary

2013-03-11 15:45:04 UTC

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I am glad that Redhat has decided to support OpenJDK 6. They firmly felt
that it was in their intrest to continue to support it. I imagine at some
point the support for OpenJDK 6 will wane too. The later OpenJDK and JDK
platforms will offer functionality that 6 does not, and a natural
progression will occur.

Oracle has announced EOL for a long time for JDK 6, and this is no
surprise. Oracle has a strategic interest in advancing the JDK 7 and 8
platforms.

I see both of these objectives as not mutually exclusive. Any major
security issues will be addressed, and OpenJDK 6 will continue to thrive
until eventual obsolesce from the community itself, I imagine that when
OpenJDK 8/9 are released that this pattern will continue.

There is no conspiracy, and as Simon pointed out, the title for the article
was no of his choosing. A good summary article too.

I think it is a testament to the OpenJDK community that the project as a
whole is thriving, and that support is available for the continuation of
the OpenJDK 6 branch.

Thanks to everyone involved and good luck.

John

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Post by Simon Phipps

Post by Simon Phipps
Indeed, I've been waiting since then to write about it. FWIW the

headline &

Post by Simon Phipps
abstract are written by sub-editors and aren't of my choosing. As a

result

Post by Simon Phipps
they often reflect a nuance I don't actually share.

Ah, that explains a great deal. I did wonder why such a carefully
nuanced piece had an inflammatory headline
Thanks,
Andrew.

Martijn Verburg

2013-03-09 18:12:29 UTC

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+1 - well put Bruno.

Cheers,
Martijn

Post by Martijn Verburg
Yep was sort of in officially announced at FOSDEM iirc - nothing wrong
with it <shrug>
Even more then that, I think this is a wonderful thing!
RedHat has been an active participant on the OpenJDK project for a long
time, and the
more responsibility other participants get the better off the project is.
I totally agree with RedHat's stance that an open source project is not
simply abandoned,
those that feel the need that the project keep going should jump in and
make sure the
project is continued. And note that this is not a bash on Oracle: the
beauty of open
source is that different people have different goals and objectives. It is
AMAZING
that OpenJDK has evolved to the point where this can actually happen.
Recently we saw a similar move with the Play framework, where a group of
people
decided that Play 1 was still a worthwhile framework, and basically
continued the
development of that version, although most of the developers have moved on
to
Play 2. This is how open source is supposed to work!
So, this is open source at it's finest, and I'm extremely excited to see
this happening
on OpenJDK. Great sign and congratulations to RedHat for taking this
responsibility,
the Java community will be better because of it. And, my thanks go also to
Oracle
for creating a real open source project where this kind of thing can
actually happen!
Bruno.

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Donald Smith

2013-03-09 18:48:26 UTC

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To be more precise, it was announced at FOSDEM in /2011/ by Joe Darcy as
part of a "The State of OpenJDK 6" talk [1]. Anyone reading the
jdk6-dev mail list would have noticed APH of RH take over leadership of
the project a couple months ago.

[1] -
https://blogs.oracle.com/darcy/resource/FOSDEM/FOSDEM-2011-OpenJDK6.pdf
/
- Don

/

Post by Martijn Verburg
Yep was sort of in officially announced at FOSDEM iirc - nothing wrong
with it <shrug>

Andrew Haley

2013-03-11 13:52:48 UTC

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Post by Donald Smith
To be more precise, it was announced at FOSDEM in /2011/ by Joe Darcy as
part of a "The State of OpenJDK 6" talk [1].

Not exactly: I'm pretty sure than in 2011 no-one had decided to continue
the OpenJDK 6 project.

Andrew.

Frans Thamura

2013-03-10 03:15:59 UTC

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+1

so this news will relax several people that still use J6 in their
environment. -> several my clients always asking and "busy" is their
answer to upgrade, and still untrust with j7 for their deployment,
yes, a reflect of IBM salesman here, that said we are testing bla bla
bla...

F

Post by Martijn Verburg
Yep was sort of in officially announced at FOSDEM iirc - nothing wrong with
it <shrug>
Even more then that, I think this is a wonderful thing!
RedHat has been an active participant on the OpenJDK project for a long
time, and the
more responsibility other participants get the better off the project is.
I totally agree with RedHat's stance that an open source project is not
simply abandoned,
those that feel the need that the project keep going should jump in and make
sure the
project is continued. And note that this is not a bash on Oracle: the beauty
of open
source is that different people have different goals and objectives. It is
AMAZING
that OpenJDK has evolved to the point where this can actually happen.
Recently we saw a similar move with the Play framework, where a group of
people
decided that Play 1 was still a worthwhile framework, and basically
continued the
development of that version, although most of the developers have moved on
to
Play 2. This is how open source is supposed to work!
So, this is open source at it's finest, and I'm extremely excited to see
this happening
on OpenJDK. Great sign and congratulations to RedHat for taking this
responsibility,
the Java community will be better because of it. And, my thanks go also to
Oracle
for creating a real open source project where this kind of thing can
actually happen!
Bruno.